The 13th Cylon was Daniel (Saul & Ellen’s son) who was a musician and on rewatching the full series for the umpteenth time it finally dawned upon me that Daniel was in fact Starbucks father.

If you make this connection, along with the implication that the one “god” made them all, and that the “angels” are also creations/servants of this one “god” then everything ties in.

As a result the answers to numerous side questions reveal themselves, including how Starbuck came to paint the Mandala of the Eye of Jupiter as a child, why Lee Oban says “sometimes our positions are reversed etc. etc.” when he’s interrogated, and why Starbucks mother tells her she’s special etc. along with how she becomes an angel herself in the last season.

It all just meshes so well now.

Caprica hasn’t been shown in Australia as yet, but one can only hope. I also hope we will see a follow on from BSG as well. Cheers.

Personally, I’ve been hoping it was the president because I thought it would be awesome if the people were being ruled by a Cylon all along, plus the closeness between her and Adama. Although Adama might be a little more accepting after Saul, but still… to find out you love a Cylon would have to be tough.

So now we got 13 models (not counting many others who died on earth but did not reach 12 colonies)? Or maybe all the battlestar crew are cylons who died previously on earth?

The “older” Centurions that they found on Earth will be made in the future. Everytime they go through a loop the Centurion they find are slightly unfamiliar.

At some point soon, a time travel phenomena will happen and the fleet will colonize Earth 3500 years in the past after failing to find an alternate planet. 1500 years after the establishment of that colony, it will be annihilated by its Cylon creations. Gauis rebuilds the cylons.

The twelve lords of Kobol are a mix of human and cylon leaders, Apollo, Aphrodite (6), Baltar, Adama, Hera (Dee), Athena, – the technical geniuses who guide the humans to continue the cycle. The Cylon parts of this alliance of the Lord of kobol will fight against Gaius’ Cylons.

There is doubt, especially for “3″, of what life is worth if its on a repetitive cycle so Kara Thrace was created by the Alliance cylons to break the cycle. The hybrid is ecstatic at the notion of death, then sees Kara thrace for what she is- the Harbringer of death…

Ellen will not be there to colonize this new Earth, but will be born later thanks to her using the Cylon re-birthing machine on Tigh’s insistence. Tigh will know that he killed her once and will find a way to attach her to a rebirthing machine so that they can spend a life together – she knows about these prophecies, and clutches to faith before death.

Gauis also worked on the Cylon rebirth and is, effectively, the cylon god. Somehow Gaius sends a message to the Cylons to recruit him in the future from the past, the image of “6″ in his head is somehow a message in a bottle from all the repeating loops in time- an outside intervention of his intent to recreate the Cylons. The Cylons have effectively become bored with God, but a tthe same time leading him to his destiny everytime. Gaius will betray his people
one more time, out of considering himself more powerful than the rest of the humans, and will join in the Cylon rebuilding that will lead to the destruction of the human race again and again…
Gauis will program his cylons to be monotheistic, while the humans will remember the mix of alliance cylons and humans as lords- and make them Gods over time. Gauis is not the unwitting betrayer, he is the betrayer from beyond that ensures his own consistency in the future. His hatred is like a moebius.

kk, the theory gets even more whacked.
#3 and Tigh are on opposite sides of a Cylon conflict about the value of human life.

Are Dee and Isis(baby hera?) the same person? Dee killed herself and left her ring for Hera self-consciously. In other words, Dee remembered her past life on the planet. Dee’s final sentiment was to overlook Hera’s (Isis) picture at a young age saying “she has no idea whats ahead of her” knowing that she will somehow be part of the new cycle of life. The locket has the pictures of people that she remembered having in the past Earth. She has her own memories of disaster but we weren’t let in on it, I’m guessing she is also humming the Cylon radio tune, even though the background music was different. Since she believes, all of a sudden, that she is the Cylon somehow, she shoots herself.

Earlier she held baby Hera (Isis) saying it was just another day for the little girl. Eventually Hera (Isis) will be given the jacks and the ball.

Either that or it’s Starbuck who wasn’t a cylon originally but became one after dieing possibly? Because the Cylons used her DNA to make a replica, basically a clone, that she could resurrect into.

Ultimately though, I guess it all depends on the story they wish to tell in these final episodes.

1. Kendra Shaw..for starters. Yes, the baseship in Razor did blow up..but, who’s to say that she didn’t get off somehow or another..yeah we saw her pull the trigger..but what if that nuke didn’t go off right away ? Her redemption would be for killing those families on Silla

2. What about the doctor who was killing the Sagittaran’s that came aboard Galactica..was supposed to be Tigh’s friend ? Wouldn’t redemption fit into that scenario ?

3. Baltar’s lawyer..a definite possibility here..although we know almost nothing about his past. Has anyone ever noticed the camera work during these episodes..especially when he’s staring down Lee in the corridor and leaving his cane against the bulkhead. There’s definetly some kind of message in that footage if you look carefully.

4. Tom Zarek..also another possibility..seeking redemption for so much he did to be imprisoned on Astral Queen when the war broke out…probably even more as guilt being imprisoned on New Caprica for 4 months and not being able to help everyone else..remember..Dee or Billy said (the first time they went on Astral Queen to meet everyone ) that he was a freedom fighter. Hard to do when you’re imprisoned.

5. Doctor Coddel..we know so little about this person’s past. He doesn’t really talk about it but he’s in the perfect position (being a doctor) to use that to remove guilt and help others and to see redemption

6. Felix Gaeta, for his role in the Gaius Baltar administration on New Caprica. Perhaps he feels guilty for not having done enough to save his people and in backing the wrong man..perhaps he feels bad after realizing that he shouldn’t have said anything to Col Tigh in the election of Baltar vs Roslin. Had he kept his mouth shut and not told Col Tigh about the fake ballots, Roslin would still have been president and they would have never settled on New Caprica

7. Ellen Tigh..possibly seeking redemption for her general behavior as Col Tigh’s wife..cattin around, always flirting with someone and also for betraying the resistance by having the cylon’s ambush Sharon, Zanders and the others..for stealing that map that she was supposed to burn.

Now, also consider this. When Deanna was in the temple of 5 on the algae planet she was looking at all of the final 5 face to face..and only 1 of those final 5 was shorter in height than her..that’s Tory. The others are of almost equal height. Also remember when six and Baltar are in the opera house and look up..you see 4 beings of almost equal height except for one. With this in mind, I don’t think that Dee is the 5th. I also dont think it would be anyone that we KNOW is dead..as in really dead..like Cally, from the airlock. Kat, died of radiation poisoning.

I think Cain would be an interesting 5th..but I can’t see her motive for redemption..unless it would be for all of the people that she killed under her leadership for that ” easy target ” cylon staging ground target..OH..but she does have motive for being pissed at Adama..both of them..I bet she’d be pissed for finding out that Lee turned her ship into a battering ram..I still say that was an unnecessary thing to do..Lose of Pegasus was totally stupid..Galactica’s FTL was online when Pegasus distracted the other basestars..and Lee should have jumped Pegasus from there too.

I think it’s either Gaeta or Lee.

Top Five Candidates for the Fifth Cylon (Possible Spoilers)

That being said, the 5th cannot be either Gaeta, Dee, Starbuck, Roslin, or any other character on Gallactica at that time (I would also presume that the “wake up call” would have been heard all across the fleet, ruling Zarek out as well, beacuse 3 didn’t feel the 5th there either). So it could be ANY character who died before the “wake up call”. It must also be a huge surprise and a tensionate one. So minor characters as Adar are also out of the question, beacuse the main characters do not have a special relationship with them (Roslin’s was not that powerfull for a proper comeback). Also, the 5th is NOT the Cylon God. That is (or was, if it has been replaced or not) the old Hybrid in Razor Flashbacks, the first skinjob. The final 5 are equal in rank, and the Cylon God, if it’s a cylon, it’s another one.

Zak is a good theory, ALTHOUGH!… Leoben could not have known the last 5 to point Zak out. Also, I bet my money on a well known character beacause this is the way the public will get the most eccitment and I dont think that the producers will not want to make the most of it. This gives me a few options left:
- Admiral Cain – too evil in my opinion for a proper comeback, the surprise would be not that powerfull, plus that we all have the feeling that she got what she deserved when 6 shot her adn I don’t think the producers what to stir that again.
- Ellen – not a powerfull enough presence, and also hated by many for betraing the resistance, the 5th should be a loved character for the best effect. Moreover, Baltar identified her as non-cylon. And yes, Baltar’s test works, beacuse he identified Boomer, but he chose to keep quiet, and then he didn’t continued testing to get to all the other characters. If he did, I”m sure he would’ve found the others, including the final… 5
- Kat – A better choice than the previous, because of her sacrifice to save the last ship lost in the nebula, but still a bitch a lot of the times, especially to Kara, which made her unpleasant a lot of episodes. Still, the actual caring Kara has for her might be enough of a comeback drive.
And my final. most confident and best option is…
- Billy – Let’s face it. Who on this show didn’t love Billy? He was sweet, shy, hurt by Dee, still he was intelligent in advising Roslin and stood by her all the time. She considered him her son. I have all the confidence that he is the 5h Cylon. Just give it a thought…

Still, there is a thing that I haven’t really figured out yet… When 3 sees the faces of the final 5, she stops at the last one and sais “I’m so sorry, I didn’t know”. So it must be someone she did soething bad or fought dirrectly against to. If Billy is the final cylon, she or any other cylons didn’t have a special relationship with him. Unless, of course, she was not refering to the 5th, and then the best match is Saul, who was tortured in the cylon prisons, even if not by her, and lost an eye. Still, that sounds like a possible clue to the 5th to me… It could be, it could be not. Maybe you have other viable options… It’d love to see them.

Andromus was the commander of an advanced “A-B” Cylon fighter with a unique Cylon physical form: The appearance of a human, although he is still more android than a biological construct.

Andromus’ fighter crash-lands in New York. He takes Centuri (the only other survivor of the crash; a second Cylon android perishes) on a mission to transmit a distress signal back to the Cylons.

Very simular to the recent story and signal on starbucks fighter, which helped them find earth..

Lets wait and find out!

So i would bet its Bill Adama.
Second guess would be some one who holds/held ‘Adama’ in their name

(sorry about my grammer)

Who were the three who helped rig the election for Roslin?
hmmmm…

Earlier in the season Baltar and Gaeta get into a fight, gaeta is ready to kill him, Baltar says something about knowing a secret about him….

Gaeta gets shots, weird singing…

You have to admit, he is perfectly placed as a cylon.

My second choice was Cain, think that would be an interesting turn.

Dualla is so dull it would be ridiculous to make her the last one, no shock value really. She’s just…dull. No matter what leads up to her being the final one if she is, whether she holds the survival of the human race in her hands or not when it happens, it will still be dull.

Ellen is a slight possibility for me, would cause alot of stress for Tigh and some opportunity for revenge on her part.

Zak did occur to me a while back and I’m liking the idea more and more.

Just saw the midseason finale……can’t wait for the next!